Comments on: it sounds like a whisper

By: jaybercrow

jaybercrow — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:28:59 +0000

Marty – thanks for bringing us back down to earth with a stupendously wise comment.

Wylie – get off your ass and start your own blog you legend.

By: Women of the world unite! And the poppy question continues… « the soapbox

Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:25:06 +0000

[...] It’s all been kicking off in the blogosphere – at least in our little corner of it. Women. Women in the church most specifically. So much so espero has been roused from her curtailment of activity by children to start blogging. Zoomtard has also begun to throw his weight around the ring with not one but three posts and another promised tomorrow. Jaybercrow is whispering wisely, while Vox is making comics about the kerfuffle, while all the pots are being stirred by a cheeky monkey. Mysmallcorner and Lilytodd – didn’t realise what they were starting – but thanks for making me start thinking about something I hadn’t given much thought to before. [...]

By: beardy bastard

beardy bastard — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:59:36 +0000

a fine example of the male need to try to answer difficult questions rather than listening to the questioner.
i don’t mean to be harsh (again), but i don’t think this debate needed this “black and white” response, to something that is about people struggling with difficult bits of the bible and the way the church treats people.
i could be wrong – you certainly have your fans out there. (i’m not saying i’m not a fan – i just didn’t particularly like your blog)

By: Twelve Male Apostoles? « Mary Quite Contrary

Twelve Male Apostoles? « Mary Quite Contrary — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:50:29 +0000

[...] no responses The story of a Christian debate I’ve found always follows a familiar path, and usually involves a game were the participants are ‘troubled’ by the bible, and can’t understand it, so they pray about it, then people explain to them that the piece of scripture doesn’t actually say what it says (because you’ve read it wrong). [...]

By: wylie

wylie — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:55:24 +0000

thanks jaybercrow for being one of the people who do something about it by who you are, as does zoomtard… i’ve been thinking about this stuff a lot lately and well quite frankly it’s mind blowing to think that the church should be the one place where freedom and dignity for women (and everyone) is a given – i like this dream, i like this dream so much that i pray it not only becomes a reality for me to enjoy, but also that i become a person who equally embodies the dream making it a reality for others too. NOW GO & HURRY UP AND GET BACK HERE!

By: marty

marty — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:24:34 +0000

Jayber as always I love your writing (when’s your first book coming out?). This is obviously developing into quite a debate but I am concerned that Jayber’s finishing point may be missed.

For me, right now, this is not about what Paul meant or didn’t mean. Personally I’ve been shocked and ashamed (as a man) that there are women who have been made to feel that they are “God’s second best” whether in their role in the church or elsewhere.

This is an idea that has never crossed my mind. I feel I have been totally oblivious to the depth of hurt that this issue can and has caused. And therefore I think I (& we – as men) need to firstly apologise for anything we have done to instill the lie that women are in any way inferior. I am sure I have been guilty in the past of offending some with teasing comments or a lack of sensitivity – if so, I am sorry.

I haven’t found anything in Scripture to support the idea that men are more important than women and therefore how we treat women generally as well as in the church should reflect this.

Today our church appointed the first women to the leadership team. It is a small but an important step. I hope it begins a process of healing and encouragement.

By: QMonkey

QMonkey — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:07:37 +0000

http://maryquitecontrary.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/hello-world/

By: soapbox

soapbox — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:27:39 +0000

Great stuff Jayber. The challenge of teaching people to read and understand the scope of the implications and how subversive they still are is still massive in a context where people don’t want to think about the complexity or realise the effects their words and action have in subjugating huge swathes of God’s image bearers…

By: Between The Right To Vote and Pray, A Short Note at Zoomtard

Between The Right To Vote and Pray, A Short Note at Zoomtard — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:44:09 +0000

[...] Jaybercrow wrote his best ever entry last night, (IMO LOL!) about the Pauline perspective on women in the Bible. I am planning to unleash a fucking monster of a Zoomtard on Monday about how to fit the pieces together but the heart of Jayber’s argument, (presuming I am reading him right, which is a safe presumption since authorial intent can actually be read), is the claim that the body of writing passed down to us through the Canon and attributed to Paul is radically egalitarian. Men and women are equally gifted by God. Galatians 3:28 as a kind of cornerstone of Pauline theology. [...]

By: QMonkey

QMonkey — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:23:41 +0000

nicely done. i’ll contemplate.